Monday, January 01, 2007

Ban the Veil (and public mask wearing)

Since we can't seem to win the big battles with radical islam (like coming up with a way to legally deport radical islamists), then let's, as a society, focus on some small issues. Small is beautiful ... And let's pick the right small, but by no means minor, issue: Banning the Veil (and, to be consistent, all mask wearing in public). It works on many levels:

1. Security--with all the video cameras and security devices in public places--how can we allow one group to be an exception? Especially in public buildings and on public transport. Especially a subgroup--Islamic Fundamentalists--from which most of our terrorists are drawn. The number of crimes committed by veil wearing women (and sometimes men) who use the veil to hide their identity and evade apprehension is growing. See Atlas Shrugs weblink that lists a sample of these incidents. here

2. It's a popular, common sense issue. Even the average weak-willed westerner who is inclined to anything-goes multicuturalism, may feel obligated to agree with us on this one.

3. The pollsters can survey public opinion and the politicians may jump in. For example: Survey finds Support for veil ban

4. Because of the obvious security concerns, the proponents of banning mask wearing in public cannot so easily be accused of Islamophobia. In fact any accusers may come off as foolish and unconcerned about public security. It can be a sort of cultural "wedge issue" against the influence of radical islam. Even people who haven't thought much about it may say "why are we allowing this?" We will still be allowing (in fact the First Amendment to the Constitution requires us to allow) all kind of religious garb, from black-coated Hasiddic Jews, to Indian saris, to Buddhist robes, and Muslim hijabs--just you can't cover your face. (Note: the veil is called a niqab.)

5. It strikes very effectively at the imposition of Sharia Law on the host country's Muslim population. Don't believe me? Well then take it from Al Queda's Mr. Number 2 Veil-wearing Muslim women are part of our fight: al-Zawahri Several Muslim countries have outlawed the veil in public--like Tunisia and, I think, Turkey--so banning the niqab would be a way to express support for them and for moderate muslims in general.

6. Historically in the USA, mask wearing in public was banned by many states in the early part of the 20th century to curtail the bigoted and threatening activities of the Ku Klux Klan. It is true that some public protestors (for example, at World Trade Organization meetings) have covered their faces (with ski masks or scarfs) here and under this plan, to be consistent, this would no longer be allowed. So a general ban on public mask wearing (which is what I am proposing) will likely (and appropriately) raise freedom of speech issues. Still, the security dangers of allowing public mask wearing may outweigh any objections to the law when challenged in the courts. Or the courts may decide no masks in airports, buses, schools, etc., but it is OK to wear the veil around your neighborhood--the point being we won't find out what the courts will allow if we don't pass the initial legislation.

7. The veil degrades women. Many of these women do not want to wear the veil but can't object for fear of their husband beating them. Listen to Hirsi Ali in her book "The Caged Virgin"
The essence of a woman is reduced to her hymen. Her veil functions as a constant reminder to the outside world of this stifling morality that makes Muslim men the owners of women and obliges them to prevent their mothers, sisters, aunts, sisters-in-law, cousins, nieces, and wives from having sexual contact. And we are not just talking about cohabitation. It is an offense if a woman glances in the direction of a man, brushes past his arm, or shakes his hand. A man's reputation and honor depend entirely on the respectable, obedient behavior of the female members of his family.
This is not something we in the west should go along with. If this isn't a women's liberation issue, what is?

8. A victory here can be a confidence builder to take on greater issues in the undeclared war with radical islam.

So if we can't yet legally deport known radical islamists, perhaps we can at least Ban the Veil.


urban11 said...

how can I help?

felix said...

urban, thank you for your support. ideas to follow.

PD111 said...

Veil-wearing Muslim women are part of our fight - al-Qaeda chief

AL-QAEDA'S deputy leader said yesterday that any Muslim woman who wears the veil in Western countries is a supporter in what he described as a fight between Islam and "Zionist Crusaders".


Surely this must alert our political elite that the wearing of veils by Muslim women is not a personal issue, but the attempt by Islamists to force us to accept Islamisation of our society. This is happening in various other areas of civil life, and little by little, the project is going ahead.

And now the news that certain councils in the UK have implemented sharia compliant swimming areas - just as they have in Saudi Arabia. Wonderful. What a way to start 2007.

Anonymous said...

Sorry but wearing veils is a part of Islam. Since they're not harming anyone, you're out of luck. Leave them alone and they'll probably leave you alone. Tell them to take off their veils and they'll probably put one on you :-)

Allah O Akhbar. Proud to be a Muslim in America.

PD111 said...

Proud to be a Muslim in America.

But not proud to be a Muslim in a Muslim country, obviously.

Wearing is a veil is against our culture, and if you dont like it, it is best you leave for an Islamic country, where you can be as proud as you like.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is free in America to practise his religion and the law gives us the right to worship Allah in our own way, as long as we don't hurt anyone. Allah Bless us all. :-)

ImNoDhimmi said...

To anonymous:

Yes, you are free to practice your religion - a courtesy not extended to non muslims in some muslim countries - but if a woman want to wear the veil, she should do so at home. There are too many security concerns in today's world - security concerns primarily caused by muslims - to allow for anyone to cover their face in public under any circumstances. Fully covered, veiled, burka wearing men have already been involved in murders and robberies.

PD111 said...

"Proud to be a Muslim in America."?

A genuine American would have said,"Proud to be an American". Period.

The fact that you placed "Muslim" first, then "American", indicates where your loyalties lie.

PD111 said...


Exactly so.

Recently, a Somali asylum seeker to Britain, murdered a policewoman and seriously injured another. He fled the UK using his sister's ID card (yet another Muslim asylum seeker sucking at the teat of Western benefits), and donning a burqa.

In our security conscious world, we have the galling situation that Muslim women are free to go around this security with their faces covered. Muslims claim it is a religiuos obligation. Well, we are suffering from intrusive security procedures, primarily because of Muslims, and it is Muslims who wish to be exempt from it. They then claim that there should be one law for everyone. The sheer hyprocrisy of Muslims is mind boggling.

Anonymous said...

Sallam Alei Kum, Any Muslim brothers here? Help me, brothers, in explaining my views to them. Inshah Allah.

Beach Girl said...

Excellent, Felix. Thank you for letting me know of this. If one goes to search on Nazanin - the young Iranian woman, clearly not supported by CAIR, one sees that her hair is covered, not her face. Peculiar that the Islamists pick and choose when and where to practice what suits them regarding 'islam".

CAIR and other muslim organizations in the United States demonstrate clearly that they wish to impose Sharia Law upon us. But the Koran/Qur'an specifically admonishes Muslims to move from lands which are not compatible to them - so why are they taking over Ummaropa and working to undermine laws in US as well as other non-Islamic nations? To dominate the world by Islam.

Great work, Felix. I'll link you in a post. BTW, the Qur'an also admonishes public display of prayers such as the imam-pray-in at the airport. Funny the taxi drivers and the imams are from the same area. Hmmm....

felix said...

right beachgirl, there is so much hypocracy here.

I came across the attached column in HaAretz (Israeli newspaper) where the author, who I guess is a modern Israeli Moslem, defends wearing the veil. IMHO the arguments expressed were very weak.
The Price of Faith

Anonymous said...

Sorry but wearing veils is a part of Islam. Since they're not harming anyone, you're out of luck. Leave them alone and they'll probably leave you alone. Tell them to take off their veils and they'll probably put one on you :-)

Allah O Akhbar. Proud to be a Muslim in America.

YOU are wrong Islam and its laws are hurting America, wearing veils is plain dangerous for citizens all over the your "special privileges" should be revoked.and the tired adage if you leave them alone they'l leave you alone and been discounted, they will not leave us alone until the either convert, enslave or much for a peaceful religion...Felix I'll help any way I can, just let me know what I can do.

Mel said...

The previous post was mine, sorry for the I'm logged in so Felix however I can help.

Urban_Infidel said...

A co-worker just came back from a trip to the Hajj. She said they were warned about men dressed in burkas pickpocketing in the crowd. She said she was 'felt up' by stumps, yes STUMPS, feeling for her wallet as she made her way around the big black rock.

Mark A. said...

I have to admit, as a redneck, I support the person's right to wear whatever they want.

Still, if the person is stopped by authorities and asked to show their face, then they should comply.

Nonetheless, if someone wants to cover their face, they should be allowed to do so.

felix said...

mark, several years ago, I would have agree with you, however I now see us as in an undeclared war with radical islam. I think the authorities will be hesitant to ask veiled women to show their face for fear of being accused of Islamophobia.

Anonymous said...

recently a Toronto jewellery store was robbed by men wearing the full Islamic get up. It has to go...simply for public security.

BabbaZee said...

I like your blog Felix
I will link it in my reading room here

Saw your link on LGF

good work!

Anonymous said...

As much as the idea of banning niqab would help, it will never happen.
The Left controls every institution of Western societies; the societies they are happily destroying, just because they can, are not worth defending.

allahfanculo said...

Yes we must ban all moslem manifestations in the West.

Sweep the Left out of office if we have to!

Screw islam! Look at how THEY treat others in the countires they already have!!

They are cruel fascists. This has NOTHING to do with "Freedom of religion".

islam is more a cult than a religion.

Anonymous said...

Radical LEFTIST RADICAL FEMINIST SPEAKING--[and yes, there are many of us who are outspoken against the misogyny in the left and the COWARDLY CAVING IN AND BOWING DOWN TO POLITICAL ISLAM--





and as for Honor MURDERS and rapes [esp of 'unveiled womyn in the West] THERE SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC PUBLIC CASTRATION IN THE TOWN/CITY SQUARE, PERIOD

the problem with the LEFT is too many WIMPS and their multi-cultural relativist BULLSHIT

I say--bring back some good old fashioned STALINISM

and deal with these CULT FANATICS

once and for all.

FGMs and Child Marriages==DEATH PENALTY, PERIOD.

you had better be glad I'm not in office--or leadership,

because I wouldn't tolerate the misogynist crap for one second. bunch of pedaphile raping sobs--



my brain instead of my cleavage said...

having your face masked,is not an islamic law,it's a traditional arabic custom...but to wear a veil,is certainly an obligation..i don't undersatand how people so full of prejudice and hate like you,even exist in this world...

one more thing...
How do I feel about my veil?
What do you see when you look at me
Do you see someone limited, or someone free

All some people can do is just look and stare
Simply because they can't see my hair

Others think I am controlled and uneducated
They think that I am limited and un-liberated

They are so thankful that they are not me
Because they would like to remain 'free'

Well free isn't exactly the word I would've used
Describing women who are cheated on and abused

They think that I do not have opinions or voice
They think that being hooded isn't my choice

They think that the hood makes me look caged
That my husband or dad are totally outraged

All they can do is look at me in fear
And in my eye there is a tear

Not because I have been stared at or made fun of
But because people are ignoring the one up above

On the day of judgment they will be the fools
Because they were too ashamed to play by their own rules

Maybe the guys won't think I am a cutie
But at least I am filled with more inner beauty

See I have declined from being a guy's toy
Because I won't let myself be controlled by a boy

Real men are able to appreciate my mind
And aren't busy looking at my behind

Hooded girls are the ones really helping the muslim cause
The role that we play definitely deserves applause

I will be recognized because I am smart and bright
And because some people are inspired by my sight

The smart ones are attracted by my tranquility
In the back of their mind they wish they were me

We have the strength to do what we think is right
Even if it means putting up a life long fight

You see we are not controlled by a mini skirt and tight shirt
We are given only respect, and never treated like dirt

So you see, we are the ones that are free and liberated
We are not the ones that are sexually terrorized and violated

We are the ones that are free and pure
We're free of STD's that have no cure

So when people ask you how you feel about tha hood
Just sum it up by saying 'baby its all good' ;)

Anonymous said...

I like anti mask laws about as much
as I like high gas prices! In fact
people should protest high gas prices by wearing masks in public
places! I like

Anonymous said...

Simply ignorant... the whole concept of fighting an 'undeclared' war is simply ignorant from the very beginning